Soyjak Wiki talk:Undo the Gradingcaust

> ~ Spruce (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

> ~

di this, nocado likes it anyways. Aryan_warrior aka MINT(User page) (talk) 14:33, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

my opinion

I think that quality headers should be brought back, but with just the bare essentials (gemerald, gem, coal, brimstone) and not the super exaggerated ones (except on joke pages like how templates like {{HyperDoctos}} are used), and somehow controlled by like the bibisi gods above using locked mediawiki pages to prevent edit warring or algo like this. ~ Spruce (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

TRVE. This is what it should have been, an overhaul, not a genocide of the gemmiest templates. We should have removed useless ones like Margerald, Equinox, Rust and those who were only used in 2 articles. We should however return to the Supernova, Gem that saved the party, Gemerald, Gem, Ruby, Iron, Coal, Dust, Brimstone, Antimatter and Singularity TheCatalan1977 (talk) 07:39, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

well, yeah. more or less the ones on SNCApedia minus the gem that saved the party (no one uses that), and maybe like 2 others. but the rest should all be brought back. :fact: Aryan_warrior aka MINT(User page) (talk) 15:26, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

My thoughts

Definitely undo it but only for gemerald, gem, coal and brimstone -- Ranch (Talk) 15:33, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

tsmt, the brimstone template was my favourite at the time AwardedAccountAward (talk) 15:35, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

^rare FACTVM from mushroot Aryan_warrior aka MINT(User page) (talk) 15:37, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

poll

Ironically, the poll on the page demonstrates the same issue that the grades had anyways; theres too many options that could just be conveyed with 2-3 and most are just more flashy variants of one another ~ Spruce (talk) 15:38, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

This is exactly what I meant when I said that the rating templates had a problem with the vast majority of them just being the same thing but in a different color. The option spam was one of the things I disliked about rating templates in the first place before cobblestone nuked them all and started the gradingcaust. If cobblestone even changes her mind in the first place, there's going to be exactly 2 remaining gradings left since there's not really any feasible way to make objective dividing lines between specific qualities for what are inherently subjective templates. Otherwise you'd just have a mess of redundant templates with identical usecases and potential useless nigger wars between which specific positive or negative template to use.

Or in shorter terms: we don't need a dozen templates that say the same thing GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 15:50, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

^IRL obsessed jartycuck^{[citation needed]} Aryan_warrior aka MINT(User page) (talk) 15:53, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

I agree with you but that's not the point of this protest. It's about bringing quality headers as a thing, but how exactly they'll be handled is a different question Gzard (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

undo it now

only three people voted for the grading caust, and 7 people voted against it. i think we have a winner. Aryan_warrior aka MINT(User page) (talk) 15:39, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

those three people are TroonletBrapped and his alts AwardedAccountAward (talk) 15:43, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

>Everyone who disagrees with me is one boogeyman and his alts

BBC and meds now GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 15:46, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

^obsessed award Aryan_warrior aka MINT(User page) (talk) 15:47, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Just let it go broIronEcho (talk) 21:04, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

deadest protest ever

nothing happened agian. Aryan_warrior aka MINT (talk) 19:41, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

It's sncaIronEcho (talk) 19:52, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

i'm just surprised anyone thought it had a serious chance at succeeding rofl GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 20:33, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Well...

I think it's time to bring this issue to the table again. Im an opponent of the gradingcaust, however, im also in favour of some of the original arguments. We should restore the subject mineral grading system, but we should remove the useless categories, and keep applying restrictions against Template Spam. Im a firm believer that you can restore things by solving the problems that led them to end TheCatalan1977 (talk) 07:26, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

do this now Aryan_warrior aka MINT (talk) 07:52, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

nusois don't learn. besides with modern template policies, this'd basically just amount to bringing back 2 templates total and they'd just be the small gem/coal ones, which while not annoying isn't really gonna do much in practice. as said hundreds of times, if something is considered gemmy or coally enough by the 'phere to justify a grading template, then people will already know the 'phere's general opinion without needing a subjective template to spell it out.

not to mention other situations like people applying gradings with the opposite valence of the article's tone/opinions on the subject which will lead to edit wars/edit reversions/accusations of trolling/vandalism/people just wondering what's the point of making articles outright contradict themselves

in a best case scenario grading templates are redundant and in a worst case scenario you'll have people edit warring over a filler template GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 08:14, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

>if something is considered gemmy or coally enough by the 'phere to justify a grading template, then people will already know the 'phere's general opinion without needing a subjective template to spell it out You can apply this to any literally any other template. You might as well delete {{Wiki}}, {{Soybooru}} or {{Party}}, 'cause anyone reading articles with these already know that the topic is related to the wiki or booru. As it was said before, grading templates add a ton of character to the wiki and removing them turns the soyjak wiki into a soulless shithole like wikipedia Gzard (talk) 08:44, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

If anything you said was even remotely true then this wiki would have died months ago. But it didn't, because the grading templates didn't actually add anything to the wiki. People come to wikis because they want to read information about the subjects covered on it, not to look at flashy text screaming the last person to touch the intro templates' opinion at them.

The wiki didn't die but the gradingcaust definitely killed a lot of the character from the articles Gzard (talk) 10:34, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Also those templates you linked are absolutely not even close to grading templates in terms of usecase strength, as the first two you linked have objective usecases with no room for confusion or arguing over them (any more than it's worth trying to argue that gravity exists) and the third, while slightly up to interpretation, has a clearly intended usecase for things that contributed to the Soysphere's continued existence and activity. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 09:12, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

i think it should just be gemerald, gem, iron, coal, and brimstone since those have pretty clear standards for what's what Glisterald (talk) 08:02, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

unless you can define objective differences between the usecases of gem/gemerald and coal/brimstone you're just gonna have 2 templates which do the same thing in all aspects beyond telling you how much the person who put it there cared. if something is just another thing in actual usage but it looks/feels/sounds different, then that's just a reskin, something the template rules are meant to avoid GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 08:14, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I was there during the old grading system and it was not annoying, it was funny. The soysphere is funny. The soysphere is derogatory, funny and sometimes serious when needed, the wiki once had soul, and it needs to return TheCatalan1977 (talk) 08:55, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

It was annoying af. Tar (talk | email) 08:57, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

As stated in the counterarguments, the only people who opposed it were a handful of select people: jannies. The polls dont lie, people want it back, thats how SNCApedia became popular when it was alive: because it had the original grading system. Most people opposed it and still oppose it. I understand the original goal, but please: Im just asking for atleast only to return gemerald, gem, iron, coal, and brimstone~. Also this change killed Cobblestone's reputation that was very positive before, and keeping this change will also harm Fenriri's image. TheCatalan1977 (talk) 09:00, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

>june newfag

LARPY LARP GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 09:15, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I made an account in June, I already was in the 'ki long before as a Chud~. But that's not what matters, this is an ad hominem that does not rebuke or rebute what I said, you can confirm this by doing a bit of research TheCatalan1977 (talk) 09:22, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

>im actually a fuggen oldfag who joined years ago as an anonymous editor just trust me bro

keep yapping buddy. also your only argument is the bandwagon fallacy GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 09:36, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Stop derailing and talk about the actual issue at hand: We can overhaul the original system, to restore fun to the wiki articles, while removing the useless gradings that no one used such as: Supernova, Vantawhite gemerald, Rust, Equinox, Margerald, and Singularity. TheCatalan1977 (talk) 09:42, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I LITERALLY RESPONDED TO YOUR FUCKING ARGUMENTS YOU DOUBLE NUSWA. Also if you really fucking need the grading templates to make articles "fun" you're possibly the unfunniest retard on the site. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 09:47, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I don't think you are a very good editor if it took you 2 years to become just a mediator, fenriris became a sysop in less than a year of jannying and i became a helper in just half a year Gzard (talk) 10:41, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Wiki mediators were not a thing at all until August 2025, retard. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 10:49, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

gem - good, like smugjak or c++. Gemerald - very good, like impjak or gigachad. Coal - bad, like cobbert or sidson. Brimstone - something so bad it makes you feel disgusted and angry, like trannies or b/ (4chan) Gzard (talk) 08:50, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Ok mr wiseguy, what are the clear and objective differences between those levels like I asked for, instead of just claiming their differences are entirely just what someone felt at the time of adding them? Because if you can't name them, then that's a textbook example of overlapping usecases. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 09:12, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Nigger we are not wikipedia, we don't need "clear and objective" differences, most people generally agree on how the grading system works (i.e - congolese brimstone, shining gemerald and etc.), it's literally how it was formed. Gzard (talk) 10:34, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Vague and subjective differences are not relevant differences at all when it comes to template usecase. We don't need reskin creep back. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 11:15, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

TheCatalan1977 (talk) 11:01, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

"JEWS ARE PALESTINIAN SULFURIC BRIMSTONE FROM THE DEPTHS OF NIGGERHELL!" "The Great Cuckset is the gem that saved the party!" "SKIBIDI TOILET IS A VANTAWHITE ARYAN AGARTHAN WHITE SHARTY SAVING HYPERBOREAN GEMERALD FROM ARYANHEAVEN" "Ongezellig is an unbothered neutral equinox that did not save or destroy the sharty" TheCatalan1977 (talk) 09:50, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

literal filler content GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 09:52, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

"JEWS ARE PALESTINIAN SULFURIC BRIMSTONE FROM THE DEPTHS OF NIGGERHELL!"

"The Great Cuckset is the gem that saved the party!"

"SKIBIDI TOILET IS A VANTAWHITE ARYAN AGARTHAN WHITE SHARTY SAVING HYPERBOREAN GEMERALD FROM ARYANHEAVEN"

"Ongezellig is an unbothered neutral equinox that did not save or destroy the sharty"

Gzard (talk) 10:34, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Another solution, just make it so they are always hidden by default, HOWEVER, the templates will only be seen if 'teens activate them in "Preferences" as an "oldGOD" preset. This would not affect people who support the gradingcaust, and benefits those who oppose it. Win / win. TheCatalan1977 (talk) 09:54, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Then nobody will bother adding them to articles if you have to go out of your way to even see them in the first place, especially when they don't tell you anything not already present in the entire rest of the article. Please think things through. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 10:07, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

didn't read allat but soicux are retarded and their opinions or polls shouldn't be taken seriously. just stomp on them, act accordingly, and move on. –Gem 💎 (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2026 (UTC) 09:56, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

A ruler who hates his nation is a foreign agent TheCatalan1977 (talk) 09:57, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I created the very first grading template ({{Coal}}), and if you go back to the very first revision you can see that the purpose was to mark stubby articles. nusois like you should be spat on tbhdesu. –Gem 💎 (talk) 10:00, 15 July 2026 (UTC) 10:00, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

aryan beast bomb above me GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 10:07, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Were talking about {{CoalShort}} doe, the one that says "x is coal". Tar (talk | email) 10:40, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Used and defaced xhis old merits to raisin on 'teens who oppose the worst change ever done award

— Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCatalan1977 (talk • contribs) award

PLEASE, this time with NO shitflinging

There are 2 solutions to this:

• We can overhaul the original system, to restore fun to the wiki articles, while removing the useless gradings that no one used such as: Supernova, Vantawhite gemerald, Rust, Equinox, Margerald, and Singularity.
• Make it so they are always hidden by default, but give the option to 'teens of activating gradings in "Preferences" to balance supporters and detractors. These can be considered decoration in the future. TheCatalan1977 (talk) 10:31, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Second one is retarded but the first one is something that has to be applied Gzard (talk) 10:36, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I agree, however, the last one is the only realistically going to minimally be considered, as it benefits both sides. However, the first one should be the one done. TheCatalan1977 (talk) 10:37, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

How lazy do you have to be to depend on text headers to make articles fun and interesting? Also the second idea is going to be dead on arrival. This might come as a shock to you but people aren't going out of their way just to see a bit of extra filler text that isn't journalistic, useful, interesting, or meaningfully entertaining. If something is ignorable there is no reason to make content for it. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 10:46, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Mineral rating system makes articles more fun and interesting^[how?], it's not a black & white situation Gzard (talk) 11:03, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

>people aren't going out of their way just to see a bit of extra filler text that isn't journalistic, useful, interesting

Wikikepedia is right off the hall xir TheCatalan1977 (talk) 10:49, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Ad hominem GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 10:58, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Mushroot was right about you Gzard (talk) 11:05, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Neither of these resolve the true nightmare which is the moderation side of things, we don't want to hand out bans for people expressing their opinions and fussing over templates on a page if something is a gem, coal or brim in their eyes. These types of templates also placed way too much power into people's hands to decide if something is considered good or bad by the community, as these kinds of changes could go unnoticed. I do agree that the wiki is less fun without them, but I think it's time we find new enjoyment rather than fussing over some long dead strings of text. 〜 MarketPliers (talk) 12:47, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I think that these issues are worth handlings if it makes the wiki more fun, after all this is a bald men with glasses wiki. Personally, I don't really remember excessive edit warring over grading templates, except maybe for Froot and Quote pages (I've lurked the wiki since the 'mon incident) Gzard (talk) 12:57, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

those quality headers were fun and gemmy, rest in peace. understand why they had to be removed doe. AwardedAccountAward (talk) 13:01, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Award ceremony

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We should make a second poll instead of shitflinging in the talk page -- Ranch (Talk) 11:02, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

what the fuck is happening AwardedAccountAward (talk) 11:06, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

award ceremony -- Ranch (Talk) 11:07, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Awardduelling is ARYANbtw, if that matters

no we shouldn't –Gem 💎 (talk) 11:14, 15 July 2026 (UTC) 11:14, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Protest shut down by the wiki admin again award

Let's do a poll

81,6% of votes speaks words about the opinion on this matter

The support for my solution has been overwhelming in the Broom, and it was on top of Metadiscussion. 81,6% IS A LOT. We should try doing a poll for both of the solutions here TheCatalan1977 (talk) 11:56, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I dont have a booru account. Tar (talk | email) 11:57, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I said in the 'ki TheCatalan1977 (talk) 11:58, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

yet another snca poll about a dying subject no one cares aboutIronEcho (talk) 14:35, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

(Solution A) Should we reverse the gradingcaust while reforming the original system to reduce the spam associated to it?

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Yes

29

No

9

There were 38 votes since the poll was created on 12:20, 15 July 2026.

poll-id D74E41BF84AAF7EAF5122D562ACF2BAC

(Solution B) Should we keep the gradingcaust while allowing users to turn back original gradings through their Preference settings?

You are not entitled to vote.
You are not entitled to view results of this poll.

Yes

No

There were 30 votes since the poll was created on 12:36, 15 July 2026.

poll-id 38AA3678507D4722D43D0BB8C17B4D1B

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Nigga poopy poop nigga penis poopy pee pee pooo ppooo ng niggaa a !! Fuggenjerdee (talk)

STOP FUCKING TRYING TO KILL ME YOU MONSTERS

I HATE YOU ALL Gradingcaust (talk) 15:14, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

You made mi clitty leak so wi will have to kill yu -- Ranch (Talk) 15:26, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

late as fuck to the party

didn't this cause a shit ton of edit wars Contributor (talk) 15:14, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Yes it did. Thats why I still dont want to undo it. But since an lot of people are voting it should be undone, I think I can compromise and bring back an couple other quality indicators like brimestone and iron, but not any of the more specific or special ones like vantablack. The subject has long since been dead anyways Fenriris 🐺 15:31, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

honestly, i think that only brimstone, antimatter and gem should be brought back, let the useless rest rot. AwardedAccountAward (talk) 15:33, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Antimatter was a huge ugly margerald. Let's all agree only on gem, iron, coal and brimstone Gzard (talk) 15:36, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Agreed, thats what I was talking about. Ill do just that. Hopefully that would statify the other editors Fenriris 🐺 15:38, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

If you'll do this you'll be remember as admin Ϫ and saviour of the 'ki. We'll make sure that people won't make any more weird gradings like chaotic equinox or vantaschrodinger, just gem, iron, coal and brimstone. Gzard (talk) 15:36, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

If they do, I or the other jan jans can delete it. Dont worry Fenriris 🐺 15:38, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you Fenriris

Instead of mocking "da nusois", you actually offered a plausible balanced solution. You will be Admin Ϫ in my heart. I will give you a barnstar. Also thanks to those who supported and rallied my cause. I am truly thankful for today. God bless this website. TheCatalan1977 (talk) 18:46, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

wtf

i went to sleep and apparently its actually in motion? Also, another proposition: Since we already have templates like GoodOver or whatever, topic headers could be used for commonly agreed upon PAST things instead of concurrently going things, like the fuggen jerdee being coal, max is coal, stuff like that. That might solve edit warring since if there are edit wars you can just lock the page, as not many changes could even be made to shit thats dead and gone. ~ Spruce 🌲 (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

"just lock the page" is hardly a solution but a shitty bandaid for the real problem. might as well lock up the entire wiki and destroy its purpose (anyone being able edit). ~Chud30604 (talk) 22:15, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

bring back tanzanite (and tranzanite)

Not sure why these two were deleted in the first place, as they were always page (rather than subject) quality indicators. I think that tanzanite has uses on exceptionally well-crafted and factual pages (like Trannies and Gooning), while tranzanite could be for well-crafted hoax pages like the Pre-Soot Era. We should aim to only use these two sparingly though, as overuse would devalue the templates and cause spam o algo. -- Neptune (talk) 22:11, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

No 〜 MarketPliers (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

ah, I see your point. Very well-spoken, I never considered that. -- Neptune (talk | 'butions) 22:16, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

tranzanite could be for well-crafted hoax pages

template:hoax

well-crafted and factual pages

tigga you wanna tell me that the fact-checked, peer-reviewed, scientifically undebatable wiki about bald men with glasses is supposed to contain lies? REEE-PORTED! Rindon (talk) 23:13, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

There is no point, it was a niche quality header only used in 3 pages. Also tanzanite truthnukes are extremely rare due to most things being able to be fact checked, except universal truths TheCatalan1977 (talk) 08:52, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

It is undone

Template:Gradingbox TheCatalan1977 (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2026 (UTC)